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How toos / Understanding Understeer
« Last post by Autospot on November 09, 2018, 10:38:40 am »
An excellent article on understeer by professional driver Scott Mansell :)

What is Understeer?
The simple definition of understeer – also known as ‘push’ – is when your car doesn’t
turn as much as you ask it to with your steering input. Quite literally the car is ‘understeering’
due to an imbalance in grip between the front and rear of the car.
The car will have broken traction at the front, and the front tyres will slide across the
track surface, however, the rear tyres will still have grip. Therefore, the car is
imbalanced and at that particular point in the corner, you are limited by front grip.
The drawing below shows the intended line by the driver (orange) and the path a car
with understeer (green) would take.

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The following diagram shows two paths through a corner. The orange line is the
intended, and ideal, racing line. The green line shows a racing line where the front
tyres have lost grip and the car has understeered wide. You can see that from the
turn-in point the car hasn’t turned as much as the driver wanted, the apex has been
missed and the car runs wide at the exit.

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Summary: What is understeer?
A driver arrives at the given corner
They turn in towards the apex
The front tyres break traction and slide across the track surface
The car doesn’t turn as much as the steering angle input
The car runs wide of the intended racing line
What Does Understeer Feel like?
When understeer occurs and the front tyres break traction, it’s actually quite
predictable and easy to resolve. Oversteer, where the rear tyres break traction, is
actually much harder to balance and we’ll go into this in the next tutorial.
The feeling of understeer is subtle. Imagine turning your car into a corner – the
steering wheel will have a nice weight and feel to it. If, as you’re coming into the
apex, the front tyres break traction and being to slide, the turning resistance from the
steering wheel will become less – it’ll feel less ‘loaded’.
The temptation here is to apply more and more steering angle, as the car isn’t
turning as much as you’d like. However, the tyres are already beyond their grip
threshold and cannot turn anymore, so applying more steering angle is pointless. In
fact, it’s really poor technique as when the front tyres grip again they’ll be pointing in
the wrong direction!
It’s important to not hold on to the steering wheel like you life depends on it (although
it probably does). If you’re gripping the wheel tightly you’ll lose some feeling – have a
relatively relaxed grip, that way you’ll feel the car more.
When you feel the car begin to understeer, don’t just apply more steering. Keep the
car on the edge of traction and what’s most likely is that you’ll have to reduce your
speed somewhat – something we’re going to go over a little later.

What are the Causes of Understeer?

There are a few things that will cause understeer in your car, coming from both
driving technique and the cars itself:
1. Braking too hard (locking the fronts) when turning in
2. Entering the corner with too much speed
3. Accelerating too much though the corner
4. Poor car setup

BRAKING TOO HARD
It’s possible for the braking phase to affect the grip balance of the
car at turn-in.
If the grip in the car’s front tyres is being completely used up for deceleration and
then the driver asks them to turn as well, it’s just too much load for the tyres to take
and they’ll break traction at turn-in.
Once traction is broken the driver will have to slow the car quite significantly to
regain grip at the front, which of course will cost lap time.

ENTERING WITH TOO MUCH SPEED
It’s possible to cause understeer by simply entering the corner with too much speed.
There’s only a certain amount of speed a car can physically take through a corner –
try and take more than this and the car will break traction.
Whether your car loses grip at the front or rear at this point will depend on setup and
driving technique, but if the driver comes off the brakes early (allowing weight and
grip to transfer to the rear of the car) he’ll likely understeer passed the apex.

ACCELERATING TOO MUCH THROUGH THE CORNER
If you accelerate too much from the apex of a corner, and you car’s setup isn’t
perfect, it’s likely that you’ll induce some understeer. This happens because when
you get on the accelerator, the rear of the car will squat causing a rearwards transfer
of weight and grip. This leaves the front of the car with little traction and so creates
an imbalance.

POOR CAR SETUP
If your car isn’t well set up, whether it be springs, dampers, roll bars or any of the
many things you can change, it could cause understeer.
Setting a car up is all about maintaining a good balance – an equal distribution of
grip – through all points of the corner as the forces on the car change. I’ll go into
more detail regarding how to resolve understeer issues with setup a little later in the
article.

How to Correct Understeer and Minimise Time lost
To best explain how to correct understeer we need to understand how the car is
reacting at various points in a corner, and so we should split the corner into three
parts:

1. Turn-in
2. Apex
2. Towards corner exit

UNDERSTEER AT TURN-IN
To enter a corner as quickly as possible, it’s important to transition between braking
and turning smoothly.
There is only a certain amount of grip a tyre car give and taking it from using 100% of available traction for braking to 100% of
available grip for turning is tricky.
As I always say, being fast is about being smooth. If you try and turn the car in with a
hard and fast movement, you’ll shock the tyres and cause them to break traction too
early – reducing the speed you can take into the corner.
You can also disrupt turn-in by trying to turn while braking heavily. If the tyre is
beginning to under-rotate, even locking, then trying to turn at this point will just cause
the tyre to slide. It’s better to reduce brake pressure slightly before you turn-in,
allowing some grip to be available to turn the car.
It’s also possible to brake too lightly going into a corner. Depending on your car’s
setup you’ll likely want to turn in with a less brake pressure, leaving some weight and
grip over the front tyres to aid turn-in.

UNDERSTEER AT THE APEX
By the time a driver is at the apex, he should be back on a balanced throttle – only a
tiny percentage, but nevertheless back on the gas.
In longer corners, this balanced throttle phase will last a longer distance and so a
driver will have more time to manipulate the balance of the car. If you have
understeer during this mid-corner phase, you should play with the throttle to help the
car to turn.
Think about the car understeering at the apex – the car is front grip limited and so we
need to transfer some grip forwards.
If you’re already on the throttle, try lifting it a little. This will cause the front
suspension to compress and more weight and grip to move forwards, hopefully
removing the unwanted understeer.
If the car is still understeering apex, try leaving the brakes on a little long as you
enter the corner, or being more patient with your throttle application on the following
lap. The whole point of this is to leave weight over the front of the car for a little
longer, thereby reducing the likeliness of understeer.
UNDERSTEER ON CORNER EXIT
By ‘on corner exit’ I’m referring to the phases where the driver will be just passed the
apex and beginning to increase throttle position as they head out of the corner.
This is the most common form of understeer as the car is squatting at the rear, due
to the acceleration, and moving a lot of grip to the rear of the car and away from the
front.
Other than forcing the car to oversteer at the apex, it’s pretty much impossible to
change your driving technique to remove understeer from apex to exit. The only
thing you can do if you feel it starting is to be patient with the throttle.
The last thing you want is to make the car understeer too wide as you exit and have
to lift off the throttle as you exit – it’s much better to wait a little longer, get the car
turned more, and get on the throttle in one smooth movement.
CHANGING SETUP FOR UNDERSTEER
We’re going to go over setup in detail later in the series, as it’s all quite advanced
stuff. However, understeer can be caused and cured through set up.
If you’re new to track days or racing I would strongly advise not to alter your car’s
setup. It’s very easy to get lost in spring rate, damper, rake and toe changes and end
up a long way from having a balanced car.
For those of you who are more experienced and perhaps have a team looking after
your car, please take a look at the following chart explaining understeer problems
and which setup changes can help.
If you feel that your car isn’t well set up, but you don’t have the experience to feel
and relay the information to an engineer, I’d advise hiring a professional driver for a
day to get you a base setup. This way you can be confident that your car is
somewhere close to an optimum setup
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General Discussion / Re: Christmas Lunch 16th Dec - Raffle?
« Last post by Autospot on November 09, 2018, 09:03:14 am »
I am happy to support which ever cause the majority want. I was happy to donate a load of stuff to Homes 4 Heroes last year which was won by Roy in the auction and i myself won two of the auctions held by them as well.

So crack on.... :)
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General Discussion / Re: Christmas Lunch 16th Dec - Raffle?
« Last post by Radders62 on November 08, 2018, 10:55:55 pm »
I am trying to organise a raffle for charity as Christmas is a time for thinking of those less fortunate than us - so maybe all proceeds to go to Homes 4 Heroes?

In discussion with other Parts suppliers and mechanics for prize donations

Updates as and when
94
Welcome / Re: Hello All
« Last post by Autospot on November 08, 2018, 10:12:52 pm »
Hello to another, sliwly but surely this forum will grow 😀
95
Welcome / Hello All
« Last post by Radders62 on November 08, 2018, 09:41:53 pm »
Hi one and all - I own an MGF Abingdon and an MGTF Trophy Blue 135. The Trophy Blue is one of the rare examples with A/C - and yes the A/C does have benefits
96
General Discussion / Fire fire at Morrissons in Folkestone
« Last post by Autospot on November 08, 2018, 09:38:21 am »
Big fire at Morrissons this morning, 6 fire engines in attendance and tons of other emergency vehicles/people.
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How toos / Re: How to make your images smaller on your PC
« Last post by Autospot on November 08, 2018, 09:23:59 am »
And for a Mac it is essentially the same except you do it in preview  :)
98
Limited Edition Cars / Re: Nocturn & Mirage - 2 of our monograms
« Last post by Autospot on November 08, 2018, 09:17:56 am »
Lovely  :)
99
Limited Edition Cars / Nocturn & Mirage - 2 of our monograms
« Last post by Mg-RoverMobileMechanics on November 07, 2018, 07:58:54 pm »
Here's our monogram 'nocturn' & 'mirage 2'

Our Nocturn is currently awaiting full restoration. We also own a monogram 'spectre' MGTF and a couple of other monogram mgs but they're ZR & ZS models. :)
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Projects / Re: Simons MGF build
« Last post by sewbank on November 07, 2018, 05:33:45 pm »
Yes the colour doesn't match the back, so the back end will get a refresh next year, after all the original paint is 17 years old.

This is the finished car sporting the winter hard top, but very please with the mean look of this little F.

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